Pavlo Klimkin:
For us, it’s about security, because we have all kinds of defense lines there. It’s, of course, about our emotions, because our guys gave pretty much everything on Donbass.
The idea to swap Donbass with something else would enact a wave of destabilization through Ukraine. This war is about where Ukraine belongs. So it’s really fundamental to start with credible security guarantees and after that go on with any kind of discussions with Putin.
So, for me, the real point, the kind of starting point for the discussion should be a sort of understanding among us, our American partners and our European partners about security. And, after that, we can discuss everything else.














































